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all right welcome back to calling all

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beings i'm your host nathan and we are

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we've got an amazing show for you guys

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tonight very excited to speak with our

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guest before we get to her with a little

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normally does our amazing introductions

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uh he's taking the night off we're

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giving him a little personal time

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uh and and one thing that we care about

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more than the phenomenon is taking care

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of ourselves as well of each other so dj

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we hope that uh you're doing well and

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we'll have you back on asap uh but

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sending you some good good vibes tonight

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uh again i am nathan the co-host might

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we've got akashi chris uh at chris

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what's up guys how's it going how are

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you guys doing so excited to be here

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yeah it's gonna be a good one tonight uh

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then we've got our our researcher

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extraordinaire deb at study of uaps deb

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you can't hear me i was talking no we

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okay great

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and flair our humorous antagonist flair

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what's up hello

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hello earthlings how are you today

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i am flair dead man i need to enunciate

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always good to hear from you sounding

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fantastic this evening

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well listen we have an excellent show

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lined up for you guys tonight uh we are

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incredibly excited to speak with this

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guest uh she is has a long background in

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pr uh founder of vocab.com

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uh director of media at the debrief uh

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she's also a co-host at an excellent

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yes normally dj does if you're familiar

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nice dj

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chrissy uh we're all big fans of what

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questions that deb has compiled so deb

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walton and of course you've spoken to a

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travis walton interview i did in 2015.

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ufo congress uh and this is way before

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theory of like travis has evolved over

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time too um i'm in a different stance

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before kind of going down this wormhole

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like ufo research and meeting people in

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his feelings about what's gonna happen

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moving forward with china and then

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his concern as much as i had a concern

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about what china's doing in their

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what people in government are doing and

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how they actually are taking it serious

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say okay i have more trust in you than i

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that i didn't trust him but you're

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things in a relationship like that so as

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that's grown and to see his concern and

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to learn more about the conversations

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specifically about surviving death and i

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that or is there something that you came

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talked to her she's very much who i

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like nobody knows we don't really know

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anything if it was their obviously their

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technology or foreign adversaries but i

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it's nothing it's this is just pure gut

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it's not that i've heard anything or

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anybody else's the debrief but i really

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this and is said i'm glad you brought it

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i think we have to i'm more scared to be

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honest that it's foreign adversaries

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the government's looking at it in their

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own perspective and always looking to

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see if it's foreign adversaries but we

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should be mindful as civilians as well

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too um because it says a lot about what

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might happen in the future if they have

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that type of technology and we don't so

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you know well yeah you never know

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it's like if somebody has that power but

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you know so anyway i'm sorry i'll just

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there is a chance that it could be both

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of them and i was and i thought that she

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that direction too but she was very much

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like no it's it's ufos um that's it it's

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not our tech it's not foreign

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adversaries it's ufos and again

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she's a she's a way better journalist

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than i am i'll say that and it's been

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more experienced than i have so i i will

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take her word on it but i am still

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open-minded to that it could be both and

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still looking on the technology side of

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what's going on in foreign adversaries

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and always following that um because it

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ufos here too

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you know we had the

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um reporting in place that we now have

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because of you know the revealing of the

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videos and whatnot

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if it were foreign tech no one was

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reporting it

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um they were afraid to say anything so

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we have a huge movement going in the

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direction of just protecting ourselves

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in general because of what's happening

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with this community

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so yeah that makes sense you know you

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speak to something though that i think

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maybe we often overlook and that's this

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we really haven't had some significant

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breakthroughs in technology in a while

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like our our technology when it comes to

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aerospace uh

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and defense i mean it's still pretty

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much the same like well there have been

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advances in stealth uh there have been

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advances of course recently and

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hypersonics that's kind of the the hot

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topic now but what i'm talking about is

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a significant breakthrough in and uh in

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technological performance when it comes

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to national defense and and i i kind of

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echo your sentiment that that uh if if

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we're not devoting time energy research

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effort into that kind of science all it

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would take would be one significant jump

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of an adversary and then you would be

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outmaneuvered uh and that would put us

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at an extreme disadvantage so i think

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that's uh something we really shouldn't

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lose sight of there

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yeah i agree and also then you know

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politics might say well we're not going

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to talk about ufos but it doesn't mean

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that ufos go away you know and not at

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all so people might just be like oh it's

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foreign adversaries ufo conversation's

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done let's move on and news media might

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do that and as a someone that works in

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pr and deals with the ufo topic within

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the media and seeding that topic you

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know and breaking stories to mainstream

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media it's important to me that the ufo

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topic stays consistent and stays

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academic

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um and then it doesn't go away or is

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overshadowed by something else uh

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because that's what's happened you know

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someone like myself would have been the

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person in the early 60s that would have

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done like you know it would have been

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creating all those

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disinformation campaigns right um so i'm

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on the other side

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my job is to you know on in the

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journalistic form with you know some of

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the best investigative journalists that

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we have at the debrief like mike hanks

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you know tim mcmillan and mj banayas

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like the three of them and anyone else

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chris plain as well as becoming an

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amazing journalist in that space so with

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them pushing forward and finding that

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information and then i get to see it to

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mainstream media we get to have a play

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where that disinformation is very less

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than what it could be and and everyone

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always says like they're like we think

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that the debrief is part of the dod

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we're like we're not like we're not

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funded by the dod we're all we're an

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independent organization um

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you know that that has a that loves this

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topic

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and so that it's important i say it's

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important to me i wouldn't know if i

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can't speak for the guys but i would

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imagine it is um but having those

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conversations that are larger and you

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know telling the truth and finding truth

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is way more exciting um and that's where

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we wanted to stay in news media so yeah

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or i'd liked it too at least i can i

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just say one thing i love the

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foley conversation

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because it was so cool to hear like

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somebody from you know coming from

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mainstream going oh my god we've just

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made fun of this subject

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you know the entertainment has just just

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completely stigmatized this so i love

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that you also brought that perspective

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to your show

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thanks yeah i actually i as much as i

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love like ancient aliens and i love

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discovery and i love leia like i think

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there's a there's a place for them

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and i say this lightly because you know

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a lot of people have been on different

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shows and a lot of people in our

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community have been on those shows and

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they're really great because they do

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have push this the conversation forward

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it's just being mindful that sometimes

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the stuff that they're putting is

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entertainment and is in fact and it's

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more paranormal than it is scientific

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and so that's the only thing that i get

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you know i get a little bit worried

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about and i'm worried about and i hope

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that in the future we start that starts

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to change and we start using science to

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you know and less paranormal and start

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going hard science um i say it because

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that's what we do with the debrief but i

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think it's way more cool like i'm sorry

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like talking about warp bubbles and

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everything else that's going on in

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science world is way more cool than what

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somebody's writing in a paranormal show

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no offense to the paranormal shows

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they're fabulous but i think that what's

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actually going on in the real world is

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just way cooler um i would freak to see

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a warp bubble

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in a lab like i don't i think everybody

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here would like it would be it would be

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unbelievable so you know hopefully one

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day i get to god

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yeah yeah speaking of more problems

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you deal with those all the time right

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well actually yeah i actually i had a

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question we're talking about the the ufo

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community right um and how

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i was uh because i was looking at um

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youtube today i noticed that the big

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phone home it only has 15k views and i'm

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looking around and there's this trying

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best tick tock foods it got 1.6 million

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you know so do you think the ufo

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community should be trying tick-tock

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food on their shows

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i'm just wondering

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well if it's if it's going to get a

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larger reach sure um yeah

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i think you know what

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i think like mainstream stuff that's

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really

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i'm gonna use word fluffy people don't

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have the attention span it seems like

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well and some people just don't care or

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they're scared

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they don't understand there's you know

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or they're they don't they haven't had

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an exit in you know somebody hasn't

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talked to them about it and they're like

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oh like there's lots of people still

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walking around that are like oh there's

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ufos like what like

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you know i get it all i hear it all the

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time so

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you know there are others chapters of

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people and i think and and what i think

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is going to happen is in the next like

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10 years we're going to see a real main

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mainstream shift because right now like

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ufos were counter culture they were

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counter culture like i would say before

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2017 and then then they became like sub

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culture so now it's very much a

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subculture and then it's moving into the

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mainstream now too so i think in 10

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years it will be a mainstream

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conversation and politically because of

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politics because of entertainment and

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because of news media and there also is

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probably going to be better footage

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because the galileo project and all the

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other research that's going on

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academically so like in 10 years like i

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think we're going to be laughing and

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we're also going to be at a different

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point and we're going to be having way

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different conversations right now than

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we are than we are now well i hope we

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are let's i hope so i hope we're getting

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the 1.6 million views you know yeah can

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you imagine i know i always think about

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that too but you know i've seen other

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people um oh my god what's the one his

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name's nathan i believe um

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does uh

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i believe he's had louis lozando many

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times he does the reddit question the q

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a

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tons of different like people in the ufo

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community and scientists and that's

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doing really well and i'm happy for him

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because

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those are the like conversations and

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roundtables that mainstream media is not

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having so

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right yeah well i wanted to ask you

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you know with your experience with media

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and pr i mean is it um

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how do you view

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kind of what becomes sticky sort of in

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terms of popular and what because and

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what is also true you know there is kind

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of this like

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interesting play between that and

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sometimes something that is popular is

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can be completely false

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um and so you know i wonder

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how you think of those things in light

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of the media that that kind of we create

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and others who do interviews create

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and uh you know what is actually true

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behind all of the things that we're

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pursuing

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do you mean by like popular in the ufo

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community or popular in general i think

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well in general as well right so there's

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um you know things that go viral or

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things that that people tend to latch on

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to when it comes to media that they're

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very interested in um we all you know

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everybody always talks about fear driven

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media and how that you know gets a lot

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of eyeballs or whatever

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but that may not necessarily be the

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truth right so

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um i wonder how you think about that in

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terms of getting something get getting

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facts out and also getting attention you

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know there's kind of a balance there it

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seems

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yeah you know i can speak to the debrief

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you know after but before i would say i

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literally just had this conversation

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with mike shaw on my tardigrade

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interview that i released today and we

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have a section it where we talk about

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how there's click

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so the whole conversation about like

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tardigrades being you know using quantum

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entangled it's not really like they did

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kind of quantum tangle them but it was

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very on a surface level um you know it

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wasn't to uh to a level that people

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would have been like oh

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you know i know it also wasn't peer

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reviewed you know there's tons of things

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but this paper comes out and people are

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like this is true so they did do it to

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an extent but it's not you know they

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overpopulated it they wrote a really

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great headline and wrote a great press

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release and it got picked up and

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tardigrades are freaking amazing so why

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wouldn't it get picked up everyone loves

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them and so then they deserve all they

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deserve all the press all the press all

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the press and so when we talk about that

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he made a comment about how it's all

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click bait and you know and so that's

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popular but it doesn't mean that it's

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fully factual there's fact in it but

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there's way more to it than what was

548
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,600
actually alluded to so i think there's a

549
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,039
lot of that goes on and then we get

550
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,799
things like other disinformation

551
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,799
campaigns or fake news as we'll use the

552
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,200
word um from different foreign

553
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:33,600
adversaries around the world that are

554
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,120
you know putting in stories and and

555
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,440
persuading us into i'll say north

556
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,600
america i'm canadian but into a north

557
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,000
american perspective and that's causing

558
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:45,760
things like civil war and it's causing

559
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:48,799
things like polarization so um in

560
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,559
creating extremist groups and there's

561
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:52,320
lots of stuff that happens because of

562
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,120
that

563
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,120
countries so i think people need to be

564
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,039
mindful of that and i think the way to

565
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,039
solve that is obviously to teach kids in

566
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,080
school about journalism and like how to

567
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:05,919
how to weed through fake news and how do

568
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,880
you fact-check things um we do it i

569
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,720
remember when i was in school like

570
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,720
younger we learned how to research stuff

571
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,200
but it was only in cycling encyclopedias

572
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,799
it wasn't you know in the internet until

573
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,799
i probably got into like you know just

574
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,880
before high school so

575
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,480
i think that like aging myself you're

576
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:24,159
good uh

577
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:29,669
yeah

578
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,600
exactly going to the library um and so i

579
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:35,600
think that if we teach kids in school

580
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,080
how to do that and how to fact check and

581
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,000
and and how to understand what they're

582
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,400
reading and be able to go back and look

583
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,640
in and look at things like articles and

584
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,400
finding research from you know from

585
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,960
academic universities um or science

586
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,120
reports or anything that comes out that

587
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,799
they can read and fact check it rather

588
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,960
than going to this website you know

589
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,799
that's like you know literally called

590
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,720
fakenews.com right

591
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,559
my dad does that my dad sends me stuff

592
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,000
sometimes and he's like oh my god

593
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,000
chrissy you know and then i'm like dad

594
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,760
like and then i like fact check it and i

595
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,120
sent him something and i was like no no

596
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,120
i was like mcmaster university just like

597
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,280
totally discredit this doctor and my

598
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,799
dad's like oh he's like i didn't know

599
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,400
about that and i was like yeah i'm like

600
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,320
you know he's getting older right he's a

601
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,840
he's an older boomer and in his

602
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,600
conversation he doesn't know how to fact

603
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,200
check the way he is but he's smart

604
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,039
enough to know that hey i don't think

605
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,280
this is right and i'll just send it to

606
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,120
my daughter to do it which is fine i

607
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,120
don't mind doing it um you know he

608
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:31,120
taught me so much so now i get to i get

609
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,590
and to just assume

610
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,640
you know

611
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,520
100

612
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,840
so i think that that's you know that's

613
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,360
it and then same with the debrief you

614
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,880
know the guys are always fact-checking

615
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,240
and looking at everything they do i

616
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,760
can't speak fully as journalists for

617
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,360
them and how they work obviously because

618
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,440
it's their you know that's their skill

619
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,200
um i'm more of a conversation

620
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,200
investigative um you know i don't call

621
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,960
myself a journalist in that but i'm more

622
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,600
investigative conversationalist um and

623
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,679
so for them i watch how they work and i

624
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,919
see and i i see how they they fact check

625
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,080
and their sources that they have um and

626
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:07,840
also like tim mcmillan's a former you

627
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,280
know former co-op so he he has his eye

628
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,600
of investigation is i think is amazing

629
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,360
personally and when i and he's so bright

630
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,640
and he's just so well for all of them

631
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,159
are so well versed in so many different

632
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,320
areas um and they have a really good

633
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,640
group of people that they can go to and

634
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,440
look into facts a little bit better so

635
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,960
yeah anyway that was a really long

636
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,760
response but

637
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,840
one more thing on tardigrades before we

638
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,679
move off because today

639
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,840
and and looking at the interview i was

640
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:37,840
so excited when we were getting ready

641
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:41,440
for quantum entanglement antarctica

642
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,320
it's like

643
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,799
peanut butter and chocolate right i was

644
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,960
all ready to go i'm like yeah and then

645
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,720
when he said that i was like

646
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,880
oh dang

647
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,039
i know look on your face you were like

648
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,720
quantum entanglement we're gonna

649
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,960
entangle those tardigrades but

650
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,280
dang it yeah that was sad

651
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,840
a little i know i felt the same way too

652
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,600
i was like yeah

653
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,080
in your face i'm like yeah

654
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,840
i know we've done so much to tardy

655
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,840
grades i actually went online because i

656
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,640
was promoting the video and i found i

657
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:14,720
found a site that says like the

658
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,159
tardigrade uh moon rescue group or

659
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:21,039
project and i was like that's amazing so

660
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,240
there's this facebook group that wants

661
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,760
to go rescue all the tardigrades that

662
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,600
crash landed on the moon and i was like

663
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:27,200
i'm joining this group because i'm here

664
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,400
for that

665
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,080
that's awesome yeah

666
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,159
chad was saying that we should have like

667
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,159
a mass lawsuit

668
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,600
you know

669
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,679
and we've caused the tardigrade so i'm

670
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,039
gonna

671
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,400
take it from here because that's

672
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,400
entirely sure that's great

673
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,000
we should i love it when we go to the

674
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,679
moon they should have like a little

675
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:48,480
tardigrade collector when we go back and

676
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:03,830
okay so i think one of the things that's

677
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,120
interesting to me um is just that it's

678
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,520
the truth and science seem to be you

679
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,159
know your core for finding out about the

680
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,320
phenomenon and of course that's

681
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,720
fantastic a lot of people need that they

682
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,279
need those facts and all that um but i

683
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,760
want to know what what to you is sort of

684
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,000
compelling with the phenomenon what to

685
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,200
use sort of like appeals to you

686
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,960
or um

687
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,000
kind of

688
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,120
what you feel might be going on if as

689
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,840
you if you're willing to say it you know

690
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,760
so it's okay yeah um it's a great i

691
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,960
think it's great i think you should we

692
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,480
should ask everybody that right what

693
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,679
their what their thoughts are on it

694
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,200
because everyone has different opinions

695
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:46,159
and no one really knows um so you know

696
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,039
everyone's

697
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,200
the best guess is probably could be the

698
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:51,520
best one um

699
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,960
so the what did what draws me to ufos uh

700
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,799
if anyone's ever listened before my my

701
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,480
dad was really massively into ufos and

702
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,919
had a sighting when he was really young

703
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,880
when he was young in like 1920 or 19

704
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,000
when he was 19 or 20. um and so when he

705
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,840
had a sighting and he had a photo of it

706
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,159
he showed me it as a little kid and it

707
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,919
like i just fell in love with it and

708
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,159
like it just lit up everything in me so

709
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,279
from there

710
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,880
understanding what was going on and

711
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,120
following with him and research that he

712
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,279
was doing and people that he was meeting

713
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,880
in the community like way before the

714
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,840
internet um and this documents that he

715
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,480
had and just there's so many things that

716
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,240
you know in conversations it was just i

717
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,320
learned so much about him and he created

718
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,720
such an open mind for me in that space

719
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,799
so that became really

720
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,640
important to me as i started getting

721
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,440
into pr so when i moved into pr i would

722
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,520
never have ever been able to talk about

723
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,480
ufos because i would have been

724
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,039
blacklisted in the media um

725
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,559
they've just been like you're crazy like

726
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
you can't you can't do that uh so for

727
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,720
years i had victor vigiani which is a

728
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,960
friend of mine be like hey like can you

729
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,880
can you do this and he was really being

730
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,480
you know he was a former principal and

731
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,799
he was doing a radio show in canada uh

732
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,200
years ago and so when he retired he

733
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,840
really like dived into ufos and so i met

734
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,760
him uh through paul hilliard and another

735
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,000
friend that used to work at nasa um and

736
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,000
so what happened was he

737
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,520
i was at a we were at a luncheon for

738
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,159
paul hillard and i met victor and victor

739
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,080
and i became like insta friends

740
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,919
like super fast not instagram but like

741
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,720
instant friends and then he would ask me

742
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,480
about like what i was doing in pr and

743
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,400
then talking about media members and i

744
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,840
would send him some contacts or we would

745
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,919
talk about strategy and then he would go

746
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,480
and do it because i just couldn't under

747
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,320
my company um i didn't want to lose my

748
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,200
job i like obviously need to make money

749
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,880
and so then as things started to

750
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,760
progress in 2017 came around my he

751
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,279
messaged me and i was on a vacation in

752
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,039
mexico and he was like do you see what's

753
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,960
happening and i was like oh my god like

754
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,679
this has been a goal as a pr person is

755
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,360
to see this in the mass media and like

756
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,080
forever victor's been trying for so long

757
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,240
in canada just to get you know

758
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,880
mainstream media and so when i when i

759
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,400
saw it i was just like i remember i was

760
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,159
on the beach and i just went looking up

761
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,919
and i was like oh my god like i can't

762
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,080
even believe this is happening right now

763
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:08,159
um and as a pr person you're just like

764
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,360
it's overwhelming because i know how

765
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,440
hard it is to try to get through

766
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,840
and so when it all started to unravel

767
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,159
and i started a podcast with a friend i

768
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,600
interviewed jeremy corbells when i

769
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,000
started all pop repeat and i met jeremy

770
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,080
years ago before this uh when he was

771
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,840
following bob lazar i met him at the ufo

772
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,240
congress and it was so funny because i

773
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,159
wasn't a journalist at that time like i

774
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,399
was and i was interviewing people around

775
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,520
there and i think it was one of the

776
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,919
previous years i was there with a camera

777
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:34,960
um

778
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,320
but it was interesting with him because

779
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,679
he said to me he was just like paul

780
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,440
heller told me about you and i'm like

781
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,440
what and i'm like he did and he's like

782
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,399
yeah he told me that there's a

783
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,760
journalist that's a female journalist

784
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,840
that i should meet and at that point i

785
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,760
wasn't and i was in pr and i said oh so

786
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,919
we exchanged information but i was

787
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,320
doing my own journalism in a way uh not

788
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,399
for an outlet and so then fast forward

789
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,000
years down the road i forgot that jeremy

790
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,360
and i even gave each other cell phone

791
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,919
numbers and then i messaged him and i

792
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,760
was like i wanted i've been obviously

793
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,399
ufos have been so big in my life that

794
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,240
they're becoming mainstream now and this

795
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,600
makes sense for the show that i'm doing

796
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,760
all pop repeat so he was our first

797
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,640
interview and then i just it started to

798
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,360
open up and and you know ufos become way

799
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,200
more straight mainstream you know the

800
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,120
debrief popped up i was making more

801
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,600
content um i was working with victor

802
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,279
closely more in stories that he was

803
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,960
sitting in canada and giving him more

804
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,120
strategy and so when the debrief came

805
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,440
around i messaged mj banayas to create

806
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,559
content and mj just it was like sure you

807
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,240
know i was like i said i kind of want to

808
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,000
do all of it i don't just love ufos i

809
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,679
love all of it but ufos is a common

810
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,279
thread between all of us

811
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:44,240
and god i swear i'm babbling guys and so

812
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:45,120
long

813
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,240
story short he uh he said yeah so then

814
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,840
we started creating i started creating

815
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,840
content for them and i gave some pr

816
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,520
advice and things started really working

817
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,120
with them and we all end up working

818
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,720
really well so they asked me to be part

819
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,799
of the company and then that's kind of

820
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,440
how it all aligned so i really been able

821
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,919
to use my ability in pr and that's what

822
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,360
drove me through and it's very

823
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,840
interesting that now i get to use that

824
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,640
ability and it like and i love it like i

825
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,880
never ever thought in my entire life i

826
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,440
would ever get to do pr and like seed

827
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,840
stories about you know if it's

828
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,600
politically or whatever it is if it's

829
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,600
breaking stories to news media you know

830
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,480
around the world like like what like

831
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,960
so amazing so i just i'm really happy

832
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,960
that i get to do it and it's it's fun

833
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,120
that's the other part too so

834
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,520
hard to get those combos aligned right

835
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:36,720
you know

836
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:40,159
probably some people in canada i would

837
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,279
imagine or some outlets that are

838
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,880
probably just laughing a little bit at

839
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,360
me and maybe i've been blacklisted but

840
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,200
at this point i don't care you know i'm

841
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
like i

842
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,120
i love what i do and american media is

843
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,799
way more

844
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,960
acceptable in this conversation than

845
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,720
canadian media unfortunately right now

846
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,559
and hopefully that will change and you

847
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,320
know hopefully i'll i'll be able to to

848
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,240
help advocate that change at some point

849
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,720
i'm kind of gearing towards that

850
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,200
but yeah it's been an interesting ride

851
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,960
and i'm just i'm just happy and it's

852
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,640
just really cool to be able to like talk

853
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,320
to like different news outlets you know

854
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,240
in mainstream media and talk about ufos

855
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,600
on the phone like

856
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,679
it's crazy it's crazy

857
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:18,640
yeah

858
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,399
are you related to isaac newton sorry i

859
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,520
was i had to throw that in you imagine

860
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,640
i always say that people want to spell

861
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,679
right now i wish i was great

862
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
put everything together

863
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,440
yeah my background's german italian and

864
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,120
apparently like we have a descend we're

865
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,440
descendants of of from

866
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,960
for english as well too i found out

867
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,120
later on but i'm i'm mainly german

868
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,880
italian so no

869
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,399
okay

870
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,919
nice

871
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,600
who's going next i wanted to ask that's

872
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,880
you go for it

873
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,480
cool so

874
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,399
um as you were talking earlier about the

875
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,120
team and how how you guys all work so

876
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,200
closely together the debrief and you

877
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,080
guys are so bonded so so as a team do

878
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,039
you guys ever sit and really discuss

879
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,840
like what if the phenomena just showed

880
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,320
up right here right now how can we help

881
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,159
the community how are we going to

882
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:12,240
respond you know do you guys ever kind

883
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,600
of talk about you know kind of

884
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,279
philosophizing through how how you you

885
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,120
would handle it

886
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,799
we don't we don't philosophize how we

887
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,880
would handle it you know we would report

888
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,559
about it so i think that there's like

889
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,159
there would be an understanding like how

890
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,600
would probably work is

891
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,120
somebody would take the lead on the

892
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,720
story if it would either be tim mj um

893
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,120
or micah depending on what the angle was

894
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,519
if it's like air force or it's you know

895
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,360
really deep history we'd go micah if

896
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,600
it's more political we'd go tim

897
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,720
if there was culture related we'd

898
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,960
probably go more mj so it just depends

899
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,880
on who would write that piece and then

900
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,159
or all three of them would write it

901
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:50,080
actually together it could be possible

902
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,360
uh and then what i would do is write a

903
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,360
press release around it and then i would

904
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,799
be seeding our story if it was a

905
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
breaking story so we've done this before

906
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,200
and we've done it many times in the ufo

907
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,880
conversation where you know something's

908
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,600
come out and broke and um

909
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,279
the trans medium article was one of them

910
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,200
that we ended up breaking um and then

911
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,720
just confirming that you know jeremy

912
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,960
corbell stuff was um confirmed from the

913
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,200
pentagon you know we we broke a lot of

914
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,279
those pieces jeremy obviously broke his

915
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,440
first story we just helped push when we

916
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,360
found out that it was um that it was

917
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:21,200
confirmed from the dod as not being

918
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,159
theirs

919
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,559
so we've done this before many times and

920
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,000
so we know how to do it so i think it'd

921
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,240
be similar process of what we do now and

922
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,600
then we'd all just be freaking out in

923
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,000
discord like in our discord chat and

924
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,600
like you know and then be like oh my god

925
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,440
like and then you know right and then

926
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,720
ours would be like what strategy and

927
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,240
then i would figure out what strategy we

928
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:40,559
would do to see to what media um you

929
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,279
know

930
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,600
i would be unbelievable to break a story

931
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,360
like that like i you know like that's

932
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,279
you can't even ask for that as someone

933
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,039
in journalism and everything else to be

934
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,679
able to go out and tell people

935
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,559
something that major oh my god

936
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,480
it would be amazing but um and there's

937
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,799
also people too that are um it's part of

938
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,559
study i believe one of them i forget his

939
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,840
name now as a scientist um

940
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,840
i just i ended up watching um world

941
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,519
science one of his interviews recently a

942
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,480
roundtable that they did and he is oh

943
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,880
gosh i forget his name but he was one of

944
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,399
the people that if something did happen

945
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,240
like if obviously if aliens came to

946
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,519
light came to earth and there was

947
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,200
something we said and was there you know

948
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,480
they showed us and they're like huh

949
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,760
we're here um and and full and full-on

950
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,159
and ended up telling us let's just say

951
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,840
there are point people that they would

952
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,679
go to and i found that and i've been

953
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,200
trying to contact him actually to do an

954
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,120
interview because i'm curious because

955
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,960
seti has a process of how they would go

956
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,559
about doing that and then who would be

957
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,559
that contact person and it you know and

958
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,840
then he'll be talking to government but

959
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,000
there would be a main face for it and

960
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,080
part of that is study i believe from

961
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,519
what i what i've heard

962
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,360
um so that's interesting and we'd

963
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,519
probably bring that person into to talk

964
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,440
with us there would be a whole process

965
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,600
around it as well but yeah but i think

966
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,960
it would just be what we have now it

967
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,399
also depends on what we're talking about

968
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,039
too yeah how big it is you know

969
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,799
yeah yeah

970
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,159
nice well we have a i know we have a

971
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,679
question from the chat so chris you

972
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:04,960
might be on mute but uh you want to put

973
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,030
here we go

974
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,159
that's our question from rachel ttsa is

975
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,440
no more

976
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:17,679
now to the stars media would love to

977
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,520
hear your thoughts on the transition

978
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,679
yeah so you mean from like what tom's

979
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,159
doing in the movie and entertainment

980
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,879
space i think that there's a space for

981
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,639
tom to tell his stories you know he's

982
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,119
moving away from news media and that's

983
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,280
okay because his space and you know

984
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,520
we're looking at chris um christopher

985
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,040
mellon and like everyone else and lou

986
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,200
elizondo that are really dedicated to

987
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,800
the news media section of this and i

988
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,240
think that they're there's it's smart

989
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,679
for them to do that because it keeps

990
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,000
things in the mainstream media and

991
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,679
people having more daily conversations

992
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,520
and learning more different academic

993
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,359
level too rather than just doing like

994
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,520
movies and entertainment shows so i

995
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,200
think tom's in there for a good reason

996
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,720
too because i think he's going to create

997
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,599
content that is going to be closer to

998
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,760
fat and closer to what's actually going

999
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,040
on in the community than getting

1000
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,119
producers and no offense to any producer

1001
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,800
that produces ufo content because i'm

1002
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:11,520
just happy you do um but

1003
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,040
they it takes a lot to learn right like

1004
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,480
yeah europe like i've talked to some

1005
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,920
directors and producers and they're like

1006
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,079
oh my god like this is so much i'm like

1007
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,400
welcome to the welcome to the ufo world

1008
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,440
right yeah that's coming up in your

1009
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,960
interviews

1010
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,200
yeah i'm sorry no the follow-up to this

1011
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:29,119
is because i think as i saw this this

1012
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,440
morning that the ttsa website's gone

1013
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,079
and oh i'm not surprised yeah yeah and

1014
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,119
that the address for ttsa has changed to

1015
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,440
a p.o box now i have not vetted any of

1016
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,800
that i just saw it on twitter and i

1017
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,200
think that's where rachel's coming from

1018
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,000
that all of a sudden the website's just

1019
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,000
a dead url

1020
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,599
yeah i think it might be rewarding

1021
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,640
information so yeah my speculation on

1022
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,240
that is that he's probably just in a

1023
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,760
transition mode like i don't i don't

1024
00:36:04,710 --> 00:35:58,400
know

1025
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,720
and he's been very open about going into

1026
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:07,280
more film and television about ufos so i

1027
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,400
think what he's doing is just

1028
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,079
transitioning the company and a lot of

1029
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,680
people that were on the board now are no

1030
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,119
longer there and have done other things

1031
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,560
so he's probably just making it a

1032
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,760
totally new website and just

1033
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,240
transitioning into something that's um

1034
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,680
more aligned with what he's doing on

1035
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520
brand and in the film and television

1036
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:23,440
world that's that's my thoughts i don't

1037
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,349
yeah well i wanted to ask you a question

1038
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,880
a very kind of specific question that

1039
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,280
came up uh in twitter today and i know

1040
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,680
you've interviewed uh avi loeb about the

1041
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,079
galileo project um

1042
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,760
and uh the comment i think came from

1043
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,160
daniel miller at ucr uh and it was

1044
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,800
essentially speaking to the

1045
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,119
the sort of members of the galileo

1046
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,839
project it's it's got this big tent uh

1047
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,440
sort of mission in a way kind of

1048
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:06,960
bringing lots of different scientists or

1049
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,160
whatever but there is a little bit of um

1050
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,000
i think concern

1051
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,960
from some maybe on that project of of

1052
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,200
who is joining galileo and whether or

1053
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,400
not that

1054
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,480
makes it more challenging for the

1055
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,720
academics and the scientists who've

1056
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:24,480
signed on to that project to kind of put

1057
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,599
their names

1058
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,440
on the on the dotted line just because

1059
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,200
of association with some of the more

1060
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,320
fringe

1061
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,480
uh sort of ideas within the within the

1062
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,320
phenomenon community so i wonder if you

1063
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,680
could speak to that a little bit from a

1064
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,480
pr standpoint also from just as this is

1065
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,960
um starting to kind of get out there

1066
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,720
more in the public sphere you know is

1067
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,079
that a good idea to have a really big

1068
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,160
big tent or would you kind of recommend

1069
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,520
they keep it a little bit more narrowly

1070
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,560
focused

1071
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,320
it's a great question i haven't even

1072
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,839
really thought about it in a pr's

1073
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,760
perspective i've just been busy thinking

1074
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,839
about like i i know what's going on and

1075
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,400
i hear a lot of the the politics and you

1076
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,160
know people arguing and stuff in our own

1077
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,040
community and what's going on with it um

1078
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,720
i really love abby loeb and what he's

1079
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,119
doing in his team um and i'd rather talk

1080
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,680
to other people on his team so and the

1081
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,880
you know and what he's doing with

1082
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,400
harvard so

1083
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:14,960
i'm gonna leave him and let him you know

1084
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,440
i think he knows what he's doing um it's

1085
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,800
it's hard to say because he might have a

1086
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,880
larger plan at play that we're not

1087
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,720
seeing here um

1088
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,880
personally if it was me

1089
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:28,960
i

1090
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,599
need those other players that have that

1091
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,440
type of equipment and those abilities to

1092
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,440
do that

1093
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,280
some of those people are not always the

1094
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,280
best and so maybe what he's doing when

1095
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,200
it comes to like weeding certain people

1096
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,200
out um before popping them up on the

1097
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,359
website is maybe just you know holding

1098
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,720
on to that information a little bit

1099
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,119
longer that's what i would probably do

1100
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,200
but again like he might have a bigger

1101
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,920
strategy at play than than i even know

1102
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,760
so we'll see what what happens i just

1103
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,400
hope that what he's doing is still gonna

1104
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,400
roll out and i hope that harvard even

1105
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,320
though some people drop on and drop off

1106
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,079
that harvard still really backs this and

1107
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,160
that would be my only concern as a pr

1108
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,720
person is that harvard would say i don't

1109
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,280
want to do this anymore um because that

1110
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,119
really gives so much leverage and

1111
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:28,000
credibility to that program so that's

1112
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,359
the only thing i would i would be

1113
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,440
concerned about um but you know what we

1114
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,440
see on a long you know and i would love

1115
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,119
to do this more is work in the science

1116
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,440
community doing pr um science

1117
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,119
community's not really good at it like

1118
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,119
they're really not um

1119
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,800
and i don't know why

1120
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:44,000
um it's not saying that their

1121
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,599
communications people aren't good at

1122
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,240
their job it's just um they're telling

1123
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,680
me telling stories in different ways you

1124
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,599
know i am not a scientist in that way

1125
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,720
like my background is um humanities and

1126
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,240
arts and then along with like

1127
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,800
communications that's what i do and like

1128
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,839
you know my postgrad is corporate

1129
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,760
communications and public relations so

1130
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,440
i'm really versed in that in like what's

1131
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,800
going on in the mainstream and along

1132
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,240
with them with culture i'm not a

1133
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,240
scientist i just love science and tech

1134
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,160
like i just i'm fascinated by it and i'm

1135
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,960
just love to be able to work in it so

1136
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,839
my

1137
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,599
what i've learned in this space i would

1138
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,359
love one day to be able to take over to

1139
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,960
the science community to help frame

1140
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,720
stuff to be a little bit more attractive

1141
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,640
mainstream wise and there's there are

1142
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,160
probably other pr people doing it i just

1143
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,920
haven't met them before um and hopefully

1144
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,000
i get to so i think that that's what you

1145
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,839
know obvi's i think he's trying to do

1146
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
that and i think he's trying to do

1147
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,880
something different so i'm just going to

1148
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,720
watch it for a while but if anything

1149
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,920
what i would have done is hold on to

1150
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,240
those names a little bit longer um to

1151
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:39,760
see what happens rather than just kind

1152
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,880
of popping everybody up all the time um

1153
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,720
and letting like you know if people are

1154
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,400
having politics internally in their own

1155
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,319
community let them sort that out and if

1156
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,079
they don't well then that's their own

1157
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,319
loss right right if i could ask one

1158
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,800
follow-up to that the um kind of the

1159
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,440
on-ramp for this topic seems like it is

1160
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,839
the nut nuts and bolts component the uh

1161
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,000
the national security component that's

1162
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,079
you know getting politicians engaged

1163
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,800
that seems like a very easy a place to

1164
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
get into this topic and distribute it

1165
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,119
you know sort of amongst the larger um

1166
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,000
you know the world if you will um what

1167
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,960
do you think about um the progression of

1168
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,160
the story

1169
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,560
and where it may go so it's it's obvious

1170
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,680
kind of i think where we're starting

1171
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,599
where do you think it may end

1172
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,680
these are really great questions guys

1173
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,720
it's like really great questions um

1174
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,720
politically

1175
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,720
so i had this conversation just recently

1176
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,560
too i talked to dave about this because

1177
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,920
we talk about how

1178
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,079
ufos are political right now and how

1179
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,280
they haven't been polarized yet um i'm

1180
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,880
worried that they will be and i'm

1181
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,440
worried that um certain political

1182
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,200
extremist groups will take the ufo

1183
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,359
narrative and they have in the past

1184
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:51,119
and have used it just as a conversation

1185
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,240
they haven't used it as part of their

1186
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,160
agenda but they've used it in larger

1187
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,319
broader conversations so i'm worried

1188
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,599
that we're going to have certain

1189
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,680
extremist political groups decide to

1190
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,240
attach themselves to ufos and then be

1191
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,400
like oh you know this is and ever and

1192
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,319
then news media is going to discredit it

1193
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,839
and then entertainment will discredit it

1194
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,800
because they'll think it's just an

1195
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,000
extremist movement when it's not um and

1196
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,960
i think i'm i'm you know i'm looking at

1197
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,200
that more than anything and the and

1198
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,440
still in the political space as well i

1199
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,920
do think that people i have seen other

1200
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,400
lobbyists um that have political agendas

1201
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,040
i obviously won't say who but we've seen

1202
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,480
that they've created these lobbyist

1203
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,839
groups and you can tell that they're

1204
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,680
just looking for money within the ufo

1205
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,599
community and i've smelt that out pretty

1206
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,160
bad where i'm like i don't trust them

1207
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,520
so i'm worried about that and i'd like

1208
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,280
people to be mindful of that too when

1209
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,160
they're deciding on who they're going to

1210
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,720
give money to or donate anything to when

1211
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,720
it comes to lobbyists and that to know

1212
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,640
who they are and really if they are

1213
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,319
working towards the community and

1214
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,200
helping this rather than just money um

1215
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,400
because there's people out there that do

1216
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,319
that um and then along with then yeah

1217
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,839
like making sure extreme extremist

1218
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,760
groups don't uh politicalize it and then

1219
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,760
along with like if a politician is going

1220
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,680
to come in they actually do want to make

1221
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,520
some change and we are seeing that like

1222
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,880
right now with the bipartisan and

1223
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,640
everything else that's been done we're

1224
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,640
seeing like two different sides of

1225
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,720
political um

1226
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,960
political parties that are now working

1227
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,280
together and like it's unbelievable like

1228
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,040
i just i think it's amazing and i just

1229
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:21,280
hope it stays like that for a very very

1230
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,400
long time

1231
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,200
um so that's that's that's my wish and

1232
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,040
that but we'll see you know and to be

1233
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,040
honest i really think that the ufo

1234
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,240
community is not going to let the

1235
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,839
not polarization's going to happen on

1236
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,000
its own maybe but i don't think the

1237
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,240
extremist side of things i think the ufo

1238
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:40,400
community is going to be really great at

1239
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,200
handling that ourselves to be honest um

1240
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,880
it's the most amazing one of the most

1241
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,160
and i say this because i'm part of it

1242
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,760
and i'm biased but it is one of the best

1243
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,200
communities like i've seen people work

1244
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,560
together and it's unbelievable around

1245
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,040
the world so i wish we are we should be

1246
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,040
more of an example of that i think for

1247
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,359
other other other communities i totally

1248
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,920
agree yeah again but i'm biased

1249
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,920
same deb you have a question

1250
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:06,640
yeah i was gonna ask with things like

1251
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,160
you know obviously the web telescope

1252
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,720
um the invisible college being more

1253
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,760
visible

1254
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,079
people being more aware of fringe

1255
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,319
science and things like that what are

1256
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,280
you most excited about coming up you

1257
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,920
know between your own interests science

1258
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,760
and the debrief what are you excited

1259
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,560
about seeing come out soon

1260
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,119
oh man i love chris plains articles

1261
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,720
around warp bubbles i've been talking to

1262
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,640
him about war bubbles for so long before

1263
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,280
that article came out um

1264
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,760
so that stuff in the science community

1265
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,680
i'm i'm super excited to see what

1266
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,200
they're going to do with that on

1267
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,560
different levels

1268
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,760
i'm massively an elon musk you know fan

1269
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,480
and follow his work um i like what

1270
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,000
they're doing with the neuro link i'm

1271
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,280
curious to see what he's going to do

1272
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,720
with that and how that's going to

1273
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,599
integrate into our own society i know

1274
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,480
that he's testing on humans coming up in

1275
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,359
this year and then along with um uh the

1276
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,200
metaverse like

1277
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,079
love

1278
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,760
everything to do with the metaverse

1279
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,680
right

1280
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,920
so it's so good

1281
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,319
exactly like i'm trying to get the

1282
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,240
facebook beta i have a friend that's in

1283
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,480
the in the meta beta right now and i was

1284
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,319
like i need and i think he's obviously

1285
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,119
using its request too um but i'm like i

1286
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,079
need to get my hands on that beta uh

1287
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,400
because i'm i'm really interested to see

1288
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,160
how we're gonna have mixed reality and

1289
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,079
what that's gonna look like you know

1290
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,079
that's like i'm i think that we're in

1291
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,839
the best time for science right now and

1292
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,040
everyone's going to keep saying that as

1293
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,880
it gets you know more exciting but right

1294
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,960
now it's so cool because it's like so

1295
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,079
sci-fi

1296
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,760
and you're like this is like i can't

1297
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,280
believe we're even talking about mixed

1298
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,839
realities right now um i am a little

1299
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,680
scared to be honest too

1300
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,280
uh it doesn't mean that i'm not you know

1301
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,839
i have my sky i have concerns but i'm

1302
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,760
i'm a little bit of a

1303
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,200
i like the new stuff that's coming out

1304
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,280
i'm just keep those are my you know

1305
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,720
outside of all the stuff in the ufo

1306
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,480
community the tech stuff that's that's

1307
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,040
what's really interesting to me um

1308
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,200
but yeah on the ufo side of things i

1309
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,640
just i'm interested i'm really

1310
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,520
interested in the political

1311
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,800
conversations right now and what's going

1312
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,280
to happen too so that's in in the

1313
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,839
international conversation that's really

1314
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,079
important to me um and i've talked to

1315
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,520
louis elizondo about this and i've told

1316
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,640
him like

1317
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,560
those are things that i i care deeply

1318
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,319
about is like how international

1319
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,839
relations are going to look at this ufo

1320
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,040
topic and how we're all going to work

1321
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,200
together around the world as countries

1322
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,880
so

1323
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,319
nice yes they're going to bring us

1324
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:34,720
together or tear us apart

1325
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,990
i found that uh looking at your

1326
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,480
interviews like you've got a really good

1327
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,720
you do a very good job of uh

1328
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,520
synthesizing topics so i don't know if

1329
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:49,119
you kind of plan on that when you go

1330
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,560
into interview but uh like your

1331
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,640
interview with lou is a good example of

1332
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,960
this and what you just talked about

1333
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,640
you kind of approached it from an angle

1334
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,359
that i don't think many people would

1335
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,760
you're looking at the bigger picture um

1336
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,200
and i've noticed this too with your alt

1337
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,800
pop repeat show like you guys do a good

1338
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,560
job of kind of like

1339
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,240
kind of pulling things back and making

1340
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,480
them relevant again or looking at what

1341
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,599
the

1342
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,119
what might be popular what kind of means

1343
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,880
in larger context

1344
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,839
so you know how do you view this subject

1345
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,920
uh the study of of the phenomenon or

1346
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,359
ufos uap

1347
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,359
uh in the context of kind of human

1348
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,119
history you know what what what sort of

1349
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,040
common themes do you see

1350
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,319
reoccurring

1351
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,400
with our fascination with this uh you

1352
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,920
know it's it's almost just like when

1353
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,760
when uh enlightenment science came along

1354
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,359
we were like yeah we're done with that

1355
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,480
we're done with the stuff that's really

1356
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,839
mysterious we're just going to look at

1357
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,359
the tiny things and study them under the

1358
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,359
microscope and everything else out there

1359
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,800
we're going to ignore but now we're

1360
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,319
we're seemingly

1361
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,800
entertaining these uh sort of notions

1362
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,559
again through things like quantum

1363
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,520
physics

1364
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,200
which is teaching us that the universe

1365
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:53,359
is far stranger than we ever thought so

1366
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,559
you know what are your thoughts kind of

1367
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,720
uh from a macro perspective on this

1368
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,880
subject with uh you know sort of human

1369
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,119
behavior human history

1370
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:02,800
uh and thank you for the compliment

1371
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,160
first of all that's awesome thank you um

1372
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:08,559
i think on a larger it's again a really

1373
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,720
great question i think on a larger scale

1374
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,160
you know it's hard because we won't know

1375
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,079
and we'll see what happens in the future

1376
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,000
but what i would predict to happen and

1377
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,119
what i would like to happen is that we

1378
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,720
use science like we're using quantum

1379
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,680
physics and the things that we're

1380
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,000
learning now is we get to prove you know

1381
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,920
more things that are paranormal not even

1382
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,079
just ufos and have those conversations

1383
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,720
ufos are opening the door now for larger

1384
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,640
friends other fringe topics to come in

1385
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,400
to be taken academically and taken

1386
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,040
seriously so that's exciting and i think

1387
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,720
that will happen more and i think we

1388
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:42,720
probably will look back in our past

1389
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,440
history and say oh like maybe we were

1390
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:46,960
going down the wrong road and maybe

1391
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,319
somebody else was going down the right

1392
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,559
road so i think we will compare and we

1393
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,240
will find those you know we use that

1394
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,960
word sync in all pop repeat which means

1395
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,880
like something that's like come together

1396
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,960
like what is what was a catalyst moment

1397
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,359
that moves something to mainstream um so

1398
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,119
i think we'll find that and you know

1399
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,280
science will help create those like sync

1400
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,440
moments and then news media will report

1401
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,520
on it but we will look back we always do

1402
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,200
like you know dave foley said to me once

1403
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,839
too in an interview previously um where

1404
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,119
he was just like you know we laughed

1405
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,800
because germs we didn't believe it you

1406
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,960
know and then a lot of people died like

1407
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,119
he's just like it was laughable and i

1408
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,200
it's a good point so i do think that

1409
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:25,119
we're gonna look back on some of the

1410
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,640
science that we have now and realize

1411
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,640
that we weren't right and

1412
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,559
and look at maybe other fringe

1413
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,240
scientists or other data that's come

1414
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,839
forward and saying that it's somewhat

1415
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,400
correct so i i think a lot of people are

1416
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,920
going to have different moments in the

1417
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,440
community that might have not have been

1418
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,280
respected before in all different

1419
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,760
science and tech um and maybe have their

1420
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,240
day too so and then some some might not

1421
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,480
some we might prove that some of it's

1422
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,400
you know people that were mainstream

1423
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,319
scientists weren't as right as we

1424
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,680
thought they were and i think that will

1425
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,920
happen especially when this ufo

1426
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,960
conversation unravels even more um

1427
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,960
because we do have these like you know

1428
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,280
there's multiple theories there's so

1429
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,680
many theories but we also have these

1430
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,440
different sides too where science is

1431
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,280
saying you know we have like skinwalker

1432
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,200
ranch right and like what's going on

1433
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,119
there and like all the paranormal stuff

1434
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,240
that's happening there and these groups

1435
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,640
of people that are legit saying these

1436
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,079
things are happening and they're getting

1437
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,440
this other part of the community that's

1438
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,839
like i still don't know right now um so

1439
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,599
i think that that might come a little

1440
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,319
bit closer um and i'm i'm very

1441
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,839
interested in skinwalker ranch

1442
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,920
personally like everybody else's after

1443
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,920
reading those books i'm like oh my god

1444
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,839
george i'm like

1445
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,520
get me on the ranch

1446
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:38,720
um so i you know and i don't oh 100 i

1447
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,720
would go 100 i'm trying to go

1448
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,589
yeah i would i have um you know i've

1449
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,680
yeah i don't have a fear in that way if

1450
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:50,880
anything if you've got if you've read

1451
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,839
the you know the books or you know um

1452
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,920
might be a spoiler alert but if people

1453
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,599
haven't run them but you know those blue

1454
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,280
blue little orbs do scare the crap out

1455
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,480
of me a little bit i think i'd be

1456
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,240
running one of those even it was fake

1457
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:04,800
someone was like you know making a joke

1458
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:08,000
watch chrissy run for the hills um you

1459
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,960
know but

1460
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,880
when i read that in the book uh skill

1461
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,040
markers at the pentagon you know that i

1462
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,280
remember at night i was like oh my god

1463
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,040
it's like you did it again guys

1464
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,160
it was like

1465
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:19,760
scaring the crap out of me i scared

1466
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,800
myself at night i'm like man i know

1467
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,559
yeah but but at the same time like we

1468
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,480
don't you know you don't these are these

1469
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,079
are conversations that people have had

1470
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:30,000
and you know and their experiences too

1471
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,040
so i'm not going to tell somebody that

1472
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,720
their experience is right or wrong i

1473
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,640
would like to experience it myself

1474
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,079
but you know reading those books those

1475
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,079
orbs do the blue orbs do scare the crap

1476
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,800
out of me oh yeah well i i have a pet

1477
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,480
orb actually it's very he's very

1478
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,520
friendly

1479
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,680
okay yeah what's his name would you like

1480
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,680
to see him i have some pictures of him

1481
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,280
actually i would love that

1482
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,440
if nathan has him queued up yeah i do

1483
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,520
hold on one second uh and we'll get him

1484
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,800
on here

1485
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,319
he's nice actually he doesn't have a

1486
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,880
name yet but um

1487
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,319
hopefully you can you can you can help

1488
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,119
name them so i got him at on sale he was

1489
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,440
at at walmart actually surprisingly you

1490
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,400
see there

1491
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,160
there's the shelf there's the the orb

1492
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,400
section you know sometimes they have it

1493
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,760
i brought him home

1494
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,680
you gotta wear a faraday cage i found

1495
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,920
because the tinfoil hat is not enough

1496
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,680
people need to put those faraday cages

1497
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,000
on their heads people don't realize

1498
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:21,920
tinfoil hat thing doesn't work this is

1499
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:24,880
his breakfast he likes to eat magnets

1500
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,100
he cute look at me

1501
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,839
[Music]

1502
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,599
you go have a magnet and there's me

1503
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,359
taking him for a walk

1504
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,040
you know he does really good on walks or

1505
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:34,960
she i'm not sure yet i don't really know

1506
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,190
yeah and this is you know just hanging

1507
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:44,079
out my little orb

1508
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:56,470
yeah sure yeah

1509
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,790
here we go

1510
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,800
so question for chrissy if you are

1511
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,480
writing the headline the state of the

1512
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,440
ufo topic today three years from now

1513
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,319
what would that headline be

1514
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,440
oh

1515
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,119
um hey

1516
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,920
oh i don't oh god that's a great one i

1517
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,359
don't know what i would write the you

1518
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,760
know uh

1519
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,640
um

1520
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,160
you know everyone in the ufo community

1521
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,470
i don't honestly i don't know what the

1522
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,880
headline would be um

1523
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,480
i would just happy that it wouldn't be a

1524
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,400
matter or you know it would be that you

1525
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,480
know like ufos brought us together you

1526
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,480
know the ufo topic is what brought us

1527
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,119
all together um that would that would be

1528
00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:38,880
wonderful in any way you know ufos

1529
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:55,430
[Music]

1530
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,829
yeah go ahead yeah please i'm sorry no

1531
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,520
i'm just doing a time check because i

1532
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,280
know that christie's got to go in five

1533
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,800
minutes so i want to make sure if we

1534
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,440
have any other questions uh from the

1535
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,280
panel that we get them in there

1536
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,040
these are really great guys these are

1537
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,480
some really great pr questions that no

1538
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,319
one's ever asked me before so i really

1539
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,480
respect that i love talking about it too

1540
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:16,319
so thank you yeah it's great yeah great

1541
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,520
to have you with us

1542
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,359
uh well i'll i'll defer anyone on the

1543
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:21,119
panel have a question or something from

1544
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,640
yeah in the chat

1545
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,359
i got i got a question actually

1546
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,480
um about secret societies right you're

1547
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,319
you're really into secret societies can

1548
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,280
you get me into one

1549
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,240
i've um i'm not in any secret society

1550
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,400
i know i wish i was uh

1551
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,240
for the longest time oh my god i forgot

1552
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:43,119
their name now the illuminati um oh my

1553
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,400
god there you go

1554
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,799
what is the with the rings oh my god

1555
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,000
chrissy

1556
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,720
the freemasons yeah i remember when i

1557
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:52,400
was when i was really young sorry i

1558
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,680
couldn't remember i'm like god like you

1559
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,680
should know my secret societies here um

1560
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,440
i just find them interesting as as a

1561
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,440
topic and i remember i've met a couple

1562
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,520
freemasons in my life and you know i'm

1563
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,280
like so are you with the illuminati can

1564
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,839
i see your ring you know and i've asked

1565
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:07,520
them yeah and i've asked them questions

1566
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,079
and it's um i find that i find it really

1567
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,440
like for them they're they're like

1568
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:13,520
nothing's going on on their end but i

1569
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:17,280
still find it super intriguing um me too

1570
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,640
i know he's had but i'm not no i'm not

1571
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,839
part of any secret society i don't know

1572
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,359
if they would invite me in if it was a

1573
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,680
ufo one probably but i don't know if we

1574
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,160
have any ufo secret societies

1575
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,720
would you tell us if you were though

1576
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:30,720
i don't know

1577
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,319
this is my alibi that's it

1578
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:36,160
let's let you know let the rumors fly

1579
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,119
guys

1580
00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:38,799
clip that part right they're like oh my

1581
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,780
god she's working at the pentagon

1582
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,359
[Laughter]

1583
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,920
i'm part of a secret society

1584
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,880
you are

1585
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,960
yes but it's not that sacred anymore you

1586
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,520
guys can all join yeah that's cool

1587
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:54,880
society for scientific exploration oh

1588
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,000
nice yes that's where the uh people can

1589
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,119
go be anonymous and to fringe science if

1590
00:56:06,110 --> 00:56:02,480
they want to

1591
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,789
[Music]

1592
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,720
yeah she's shared a lot of the stuff

1593
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,799
from the scientific uh from that

1594
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,559
community and also the scientific

1595
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:17,280
coalition for what is it that the actual

1596
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,559
acronym

1597
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,839
um ssa the society for scientific

1598
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,480
exploration yeah yeah that one yeah yeah

1599
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,480
what you just said but there's a ton of

1600
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:29,040
like academic uh videos on there they

1601
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,319
actually have a youtube channel and

1602
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,240
they're on twitter uh but it's a lot of

1603
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,760
very well known

1604
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,000
academics you know phd's talking about a

1605
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,480
lot of interesting subjects

1606
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,480
that you can be anonymous

1607
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,400
it's a secret society they allow you to

1608
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,680
be anonymous oh yeah

1609
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,359
so what is going on with you next

1610
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,960
chrissy what

1611
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,670
you know we are dropping a story at the

1612
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,520
debrief that's going to be a debrief

1613
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,079
exclusive that um people in our

1614
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,599
community be really interested in so i

1615
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,119
can't it's elite that's all i can say

1616
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,520
about it uh and it should be next week

1617
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:05,760
so from what we're planning so

1618
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,119
yeah that's gonna be really exciting um

1619
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,280
so that that that will be my next when

1620
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:13,680
you guys see that that article drop that

1621
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,079
will be my next video so i'm

1622
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,720
really really excited to talk about it

1623
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,799
and i have a crap load of research i

1624
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:22,160
need to start doing

1625
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,470
yeah clear your calendars everybody it's

1626
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,720
gonna be a good one yeah yeah we should

1627
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
i should be dropping the video myself on

1628
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,720
thursday or friday so it should be

1629
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,799
around that time but it's not we're like

1630
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,280
it's not a 100 confirmed but it for

1631
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,200
hopefully so i get that's the most i can

1632
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,119
say right now but i'm i'm really excited

1633
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,799
to do it and it's someone i've been

1634
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,319
wanting to talk to you for a very very

1635
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,000
long time so i'm just

1636
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,960
excited that i get the chance to amazing

1637
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,760
um

1638
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:53,440
here's a question i have for you where

1639
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,599
is tim's part four of his four-part uh

1640
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,280
we always make fun of him on that we're

1641
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,640
like something we're like oh something's

1642
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,160
gonna happen we're like tim's part four

1643
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,789
we write him with that in discord you

1644
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,319
guys

1645
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,079
right so we don't know we're asking too

1646
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,799
we're like tim where is this um so i

1647
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,400
don't i don't i i just that's a tim

1648
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,319
thing i i i we haven't talked about it

1649
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:19,119
in recent like weeks but at some point i

1650
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,030
let's go mcmillan let's go come on

1651
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,359
okay do we need do we have time for one

1652
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,680
last question and who wants to

1653
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,400
take it deb there's one in the chat and

1654
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,920
there's one

1655
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,319
deb did you want to ask a question oh no

1656
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:44,160
i was just referencing we have one in

1657
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:47,599
the chat it's about the uapx

1658
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:50,880
it's right here from cali open muse

1659
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,559
is chrissy aware of uapx uap expeditions

1660
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,240
they recently returned from an

1661
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,480
expedition catalina island looking for

1662
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,520
tic tacs say they're analyzing the data

1663
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,599
comments

1664
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,200
i'm actually in the new documentary

1665
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,599
that's coming out mm-hmm

1666
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,839
yeah so i'm i just for a moment i'm in

1667
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:12,079
it um i was in california in catalina

1668
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:16,559
island and i was um in california last

1669
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,240
year so i will have a moment in it and

1670
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,799
that's all i can say about that um but i

1671
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,680
do know the guys at uapx yes i do i did

1672
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,480
meet them in person last year um

1673
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,480
i was invited to come to go meet them

1674
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,799
and i had dinner with them and um and

1675
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,319
then i ended up just you know finding

1676
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,359
myself

1677
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:38,000
um on an expedition for like an evening

1678
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,880
so

1679
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,240
wow yeah

1680
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:42,000
yeah they're great i love gary and

1681
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:45,010
everyone else yeah

1682
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,160
[Music]

1683
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:48,000
well no i mean i just got to say i i

1684
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,040
know we could talk to you for a very

1685
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,240
long time uh i i appreciate the um

1686
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:54,079
it's it's not just you know chrissy just

1687
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,359
to be honest with you it's not just the

1688
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,119
quality of the work that you do but your

1689
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,520
passion for this subject is very evident

1690
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,799
you know and it's really cool to see

1691
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,160
that and it's i think that's hard to

1692
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,079
find that's also probably why people

1693
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,920
resonate with what the debrief is doing

1694
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,160
because it's uh it's it's just something

1695
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,839
that everybody on that team seems to

1696
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,720
share

1697
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,799
and uh you know i think you know for

1698
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,079
myself personally i'm not by the rest of

1699
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,839
the team but you know kudos to what you

1700
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,920
guys do and keep up the great work and i

1701
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,760
know that every you know in this in this

1702
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,599
topic there's a lot of controversy and

1703
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,880
you can't put out anything without

1704
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,880
somebody saying oh well you did this

1705
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,799
wrong or whatever but i just want to

1706
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,079
encourage you guys to keep doing the

1707
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,000
great work you're doing and uh and not

1708
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,640
um you know give up and you know we're a

1709
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,839
lot you have a lot of support in the

1710
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,040
community

1711
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,640
thank you like thank you so much i'll

1712
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,319
tell the guys that too and everyone else

1713
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,839
on the team like and i thank you for the

1714
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,440
compliment i i appreciate that like i

1715
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:43,040
love the topic a lot

1716
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:44,160
and that was a fear of mine when i

1717
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,359
started getting into this i was like

1718
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,280
people are gonna are people really gonna

1719
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,559
believe that

1720
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,079
and at the point i was just like i don't

1721
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,400
care because i care

1722
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,920
and at one point i was like don't watch

1723
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,440
it or they do i don't care i just like

1724
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,240
to do it um it makes me happy so i'm

1725
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:00,160
just glad that people and i'm just glad

1726
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,839
people like the content like i really do

1727
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:03,200
and i appreciate that mentally i

1728
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,400
appreciate it is watching you appreciate

1729
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,319
people sharing everything so thank you

1730
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:07,599
for that

1731
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,630
one thing we all have in common

1732
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,880
everybody likes truth in this community

1733
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,400
that's and i think that's such an

1734
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,960
honorable thing to to like and to want

1735
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,200
and to be part of so

1736
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,720
absolutely well thanks again for joining

1737
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,880
us and we're going to keep our eyes out

1738
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,799
for what's coming next week uh speaking

1739
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,319
of next week just on our own show we

1740
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,240
have ryan sprague coming up

1741
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,839
to join us on wednesday looking forward

1742
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,400
to chatting with him uh and uh and then

1743
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,920
we have other shows planned uh in the

1744
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,119
coming weeks ahead that we're really

1745
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,359
excited about so anyway for myself

1746
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,319
nathan uh for akashi chris dev study of

1747
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:49,040
uaps and flareus kevin uh and for

1748
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,640
chrissy newton we thank all of you for

1749
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,280
joining us on cab and we'll see you next

1750
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:55,119
time